Creating Tangible Magic: Rachel Lorenz on Medieval Life, Making Stuff, and Reclaiming Human Creativity
Well, hello, friends. Welcome to the Experiences podcast. I am with longtime Experiences customer, Rachel Lorenz. Rachel, how are you doing today?
Rachel Lorenz:I am doing brilliant. It is a gorgeous, sweaty, humid day here in South Korea.
Mark Sandeno:Yes. Which reminds me to point out that you are one of our more interesting customers. Not only are you in South Korea, but you have one of the most interesting experiential businesses we have had the pleasure to work with. I'm gonna read a quick description in your words of what it is on your about page, and then I just want you to kinda unpack it, and this will prompt me to ask you a bunch of questions. Okay.
Mark Sandeno:So the creative Contessa is the name of your unique business, and I quote, it is a place for people to discover the beauty of creativity, including dance, historic fashion, sewing and embroidery, the culinary arts, sustainable living, and medieval and renaissance life. That is a veritable cornucopia of stuff. Tell me a little bit more. Paint a little bit more of a picture around that description.
Rachel Lorenz:You know, basically, I'm a my hobby what was my hobby and is now my profession used to be medieval living history, now the profession of medieval living history. And I decided back in 02/2019, my I'm a translator, actually, by profession. That's my original career. But as you can imagine, with all of the AI and machine translation, my career is especially with European languages, she's dead. Companies don't want to pay I have companies offering to pay me the same as they wanted to pay me as a baby translator in 02/2005.
Mark Sandeno:Oh, wow.
Rachel Lorenz:So I started looking around at the world. And I said, well, what else can I do? Well, yeah. Okay. I could go back and get another degree in something else.
Rachel Lorenz:I could take up coding. Right? There's all these things. And I thought, yeah. But those are gonna get eaten by the machines too.
Rachel Lorenz:By the time I achieved mastery that is remunerable in those other fields, the machines will have probably eaten those jobs. And then my husband looked at me and said, you have another skill set that's master level that people would love if you shared it with them. Because I've been doing medieval living history for literally decades, I've picked up all of these handcrafts and all of these arts and dance and cooking, and I'm really good at teaching them. I'd been teaching for free for years, for decades. I'd been just sharing my skills and knowledge for free.
Rachel Lorenz:And he looked at me and he said, you know, there are these sip and paint events. We attended one, and it was pretty low quality. I mean, there was, like, no actual teaching. It wasn't even a step by step thing. He literally showed us a picture and said, here's some paint.
Rachel Lorenz:Have fun. Ryan And looked at me and said afterwards, he said, you could do this with the arts you do, but better. Thus, then 2019 in South Korea, actually, the Creative Contessa was born. I started with, you know, in my apartment with some my own personal cooking equipment. You know, no one had matching anything.
Rachel Lorenz:No one had matching aprons. And I started doing embroidery events and dancing events, and people loved it. And so thus it was born. And, you know, I just keep trying find out what would appeal to a a non reenactor audience. Right?
Rachel Lorenz:Like, what skills do people want to experience? But for me, it's not just about experiencing. Like, the experience is important. But my experiences come with learning. I always include history, culture, technique.
Rachel Lorenz:I if when it's cooking, I talk about food science. You know, why you add the vinegar at this stage and not at that stage because this chemical reaction needs to happen. And if you add it at this stage, the heat will kill it. You know? So unlike other experienced people where it's just here, have this lovely experience, then go home with a memory.
Rachel Lorenz:I like people to go home with actual skills and knowledge.
Mark Sandeno:Right. And you're unique in that you have a sip and stitch class and embroidery. Right now, you're doing the Rose of Sharon. You're doing cherry blossom tree. Beautiful, stitching embroidery classes.
Mark Sandeno:You do make paneer and sour cream and yogurt, so sipping culture. You do dancing through the ages, which I really seems to be one of your flagship experiences is the dancing experiences. So quite a wide variety of different experiential stuff including Korean spicy pork belly that you provide. How much does the culture of South Korea and I know you do remote things as well. So you do the Zoom classes, you do the in person classes.
Mark Sandeno:How much are you just responding to the desires and needs of the culture that you live and work within?
Rachel Lorenz:It's funny because I was actually trapped in America during COVID in Albuquerque.
Rachel Lorenz:the military sent us back just in time to get stranded there during one of the worst periods in recent history. So a lot of the experiences that are set up now were set up just before COVID started because I wanted to bring Korean culture and traditions to an audience that it would otherwise probably never get to experience them at that way. You know, if you go to a Korean restaurant in America, it's gonna be Korean barbecue 95% of the time, and it's gonna be not very traditional. It's gonna be Americanized Korean barbecue. Right?
Rachel Lorenz:So I wanted to actually have people experience authentic Korean food that I had learned to cook here in Korea using authentic ingredients, talk about the history and culture. So, yeah, absolutely. The places I live definitely and travel definitely influence what I have to offer because I travel a lot. It's one of the other things I do kind of semi professionally. And, you know, one of the reasons I travel is to experience the way other people live life for real, not the tourist traps.
Rachel Lorenz:What are real people in Thailand out in a stilt village, not a tourist trap? How do they live their lives? I wanna go there and see that. I wanna go have dinner with those people. I want them to show me how they make their dishes and make their clothes, and then I wanna take that and bring it back to an audience that might never have a chance at experiencing that.
Rachel Lorenz:Because how many people can travel from The US to Thailand? Not many. Yeah. So absolutely the cultures, the histories, the people that I I meet, you know, traveling around the world, living in different places around the world, that definitely impacts my offerings for certain.
Mark Sandeno:Whether it's, Korean food, German castles, Spanish traditions, people living in stilt homes in Thailand, do you synthesize these together to create unique offerings, or do you kinda keep them in their own lane and create an offering around that?
Rachel Lorenz:Yeah. I try to keep it in its own lane because I feel like it's not I don't have the right to synthesize any of those things. This is no judgment on anyone else who does. I just feel like if I synthesize it, it's not necessarily going to be an authentic thing. Whereas I'm trying to be as true as possible to the original experience, the original offering in the places where they happen.
Mark Sandeno:When one looks at the creativecontessa.com, which is what the website is, the creativecontessa.com, it has a medieval vibe. Is that because you most closely identify with that period of time? Is it because you have the most knowledge? Or is it just a good framework to introduce all the learning and experiential?
Rachel Lorenz:I'll be honest. It was really hard when we were building the website. My website developers are like, you have such a range of interests and knowledge that we're having issues figuring out how exactly to frame the website. I've been called a renaissance woman in the modern understanding of that term because I, you know, like Leonardo da Vinci, I have all of these interests and I explore them all deeply and I try to achieve mastery is a real strong word. But at least, you know, nave level understanding, you know, this expression jack of all trades, that's me.
Rachel Lorenz:I'm a jack of all trades.
Mark Sandeno:Your life reads like a renaissance novel. I mean, you've been in Paris, Seoul, Heidelberg. What chapter would you say of all of that renaissance style living, taking the time period of the Renaissance out of it, but what chapter of your life has shaped you most creatively?
Rachel Lorenz:Very good question. Well, I mean, I would say that I moved to Germany, I as a student in 02/2002, but I'd already studied. I'd already spent a half a year abroad in Spain studying at the University of Granada. So I'd already, you know, had living abroad experience. But basically, from 2002 onward until 02/2019, I didn't live in The US.
Rachel Lorenz:There was only maybe four years of my post college life I've actually lived in The US. I would say that all of pretty much the entire time since I left The US after graduating has shaped me most heavily creatively. That's when I really got out into the bigger world, saw all of these craftsmen doing their craft. Right? People, they'd inherited it from their parents, from their grandparents, and were still doing shoemaking the way they were doing it fifty years ago.
Rachel Lorenz:Or in the living history community, I met, you know, hundreds of reenactors who were, you know, serious reenactors delving really deeply into their art. And so that really definitely impacted me. So I can't say it's like this year or that year, but it's like the last twenty three years.
Mark Sandeno:Yeah. Okay. No. That's great. It's an era of your life.
Mark Sandeno:Okay. Let's, shift direction here a little bit. I'm thinking of someone who might listen to this. It might be another creative person. It might be someone who's getting it handed to them by AI, and they're like, I'm tired of this.
Mark Sandeno:A lot of what we're seeing right now is highly expert people getting laid off from their jobs and not being able to find follow-up jobs. And and one of the things I tell people as a lifelong entrepreneur is like, hey, you will never be fired if you're an entrepreneur, if you're a small business owner. You might not make a lot of money depending on what you choose to do, but you will never be fired. And it turns out one of the greatest skills is taking your interest, your passions, or developing new ones and offering that in some sort of value to the world. So I have a couple questions for you.
Mark Sandeno:Question number one, why does what you do for the world matter?
Rachel Lorenz:There's so much hubris in what I'm about to say, but humans did not evolve to exist via screen. We did not evolve for virtual. And by virtual experience, I don't mean, like, I'm teaching you through video and you're doing it in your space. I mean, like, The Sims is the early version of this. Right?
Rachel Lorenz:All of these online role playing games where people think they feel like they're making things, but they're not. They're sitting on their asses getting fatter. So maybe don't put that in the podcast.
Mark Sandeno:Too late. That's perfect. I love it. It's like, you know but
Speaker 3:you're you're basically talking about Wally World.
Rachel Lorenz:Exactly. We're heading that way. But what I've realized back in 2019 is that actually we haven't evolved for that. And one of the reasons people are so anxious and depressed and lonely is because they're isolated not just from each other, but from experiencing the world real time with their hands, with their eyes, with their skin, with their whole bodies. The experiences I offer are very tactile.
Rachel Lorenz:They're very tangible. They're very palpable. And you can actually experience making something for real with not a lot of effort. Like, you don't need to study embroidery for ten thousand hours to be able to do one of my embroidery experiences. You need zero experience to do one of my embroidery experiences.
Rachel Lorenz:I can take the most baby beginner, never even held a needle individual. They'll be able to finish one of my embroideries after just three hours with me. That ability to actually create something with your hands to stimulate your mind, to stimulate your body is actually so refreshing. People who've taken my experiences, especially ones who get dragged along by their friend. Their friend's like, yeah.
Rachel Lorenz:Come do this thing with me. They actually tell me at the end, I'm so glad I did this. This was amazing. Where has this been my whole life? Creativity is a beautiful, beautiful act that our brains are hungry to do.
Rachel Lorenz:We've evolved for creativity because creativity is what allows us to survive in the wild. And because, you know, so many things people do these days do not actually engage that part of their brain in any way. And so I think, you know, that what I'm offering is a fun, healthy, easy way for people to reengage actually with themselves and at the events I do in their live events than with each other. Right? You're actually face to face with other people, meeting new people in this really casual, relaxing, fun environment.
Rachel Lorenz:So yeah.
Mark Sandeno:So this is one of your experiences, the sip and stitch cherry blossom tree. Now you have multiple experiences, and there's a price range here. Incredible value starting at $39.99 going up to 150 for a blown out experience. But this right here, this beautiful cherry blossom tree, in a way, it's a portal into connection, into positive memory making, into exiting the two d screen adult distraction environment. Would you say that while they're gonna learn some skills and they can come with zero experience, what you're really doing is you're transporting people to a time and place in history because this is an ancient practice, the fabric arts.
Mark Sandeno:You're resting them out of, maybe stasis or being locked into a modern expression of living, and you're doing it with your friends. You're creating happy memories together with a creative contestant as a kernel of that experience, but they're forming new and super positive memories. That is why you matter to the world. Would you add anything to that? Because this is beautiful, and it's a great value.
Rachel Lorenz:You've encapsulated it just before the pandemic broke out. So it's five and a half years ago at this point. I was actually traveling from somewhere to somewhere. I was in an airport at a lounge at the Virgin Air lounge, actually. And I got this email, an inquiry from a woman who had she found me on Facebook.
Rachel Lorenz:I had a page. And she said she wanted to have a birthday party that was one of my events, and she asked if I could do a custom embroidery for her. She described to me. She said, I have this vision of a and her quote was witchy cabin. A witchy cabin, you know, kind of like the Hunstville And Gretel Cabin, right, in a forest.
Rachel Lorenz:And she said, you know, I'll pay you, obviously, but can I have a birthday party, sip and stitch with that as the piece? And I said, yeah. I can do that. And I sketched it up. You know, I thought about it, and I sketched something up, and I sent it to her.
Rachel Lorenz:I think it's on the page too, The Cabin in the Woods. Sounds creepy as hell, but the cabin in the woods embroidery, and she loved it. And so I also made a birthday cake for her. You know, she did this party, and I keep meaning to put up on the experience page the option of, you know, setting up a birthday party if you want a special birthday party experience because, you know, what better way to celebrate your birthday than getting creative with some of your best friends. You know, there's no more awkward standing around with a red solo cup.
Mark Sandeno:Yeah. Exactly. Which brings up a really interesting point. What we're seeing statistically in the research and also across our customer base is that people are spending less time with red solo cups in their hand, hanging out at the bar, just pure consumption. They're looking for co created value because that generates a story that they can participate in even if on their own, but especially when they're with their besties, their family, their friends, birthday parties, family experiences, and the like.
Mark Sandeno:And, you know, some people listening to this might be like, yeah. No duh. Crafting workshops and all whatever. But it appears in this kinda segues into advice you would have for people who have a particular skill set or passion. It turns out that if you can offer the true product that experiential offerings seem to be offering is not so much that, oh, I learned how to do stitch something.
Mark Sandeno:It's that I created a way for me to connect to elevate elevate my humanity above what society seems to be forcing us into. And people will pay, not that we wanna take advantage of people, but they will pay a premium to break themselves free even if they don't think of it like that. So imagine there's a person out there who has a nascent skill or a deep expertise like you do. What advice would you give them to go forth and do something like this? Down to the tactical, the conceptual, what would you say to them?
Rachel Lorenz:So the thing about being an experienced leader and the thing that sets me apart from just you can have a skill and not know how to communicate that skill. So you do have to have a teaching ability. Right? You have to have an ability to break something down into its fundamental components, to its basic building blocks, to, like, almost the atomic level and communicate that to people who learn in different ways. So you need to figure out how to communicate your skill to people who learn auditorily, people who learn visually, people who learn tactically.
Rachel Lorenz:Right? So you need to have different ways of explaining exactly the same thing. And so you need to think about your art, your craft from the perspective of someone who's never touched it before. And that can be really challenging because people, especially once they've reached mastery level, they've forgotten what it was like at the beginning when they were stumbling through just trying to neat thread the needle. That's advice number one.
Rachel Lorenz:Number two is make it like a party. That's the thing about my experiences. I like to create a festive party like experience. It's relaxed. It's casual.
Rachel Lorenz:It's social. Right? It's not like a workshop in a all white studio. Right? It's in my apartment.
Rachel Lorenz:People are in a comfortable space that just feels welcoming. I make sure it's all decorated nicely with tapestries like this. I serve tea. I put cheese and nibblies out. Like, I'm a big cheese snob, so it's only the best cheese at my events.
Rachel Lorenz:None of this American garbage. So, you know, you need to make it what people want is they don't necessarily want to be lectured at. You know, that's the difference. You're right. What is a crafting class like?
Rachel Lorenz:This isn't just a class. It's like we're all together. We are a little community for these hours. Right now, in this moment, we are a community of doers and learners, and that's what you need to figure out how to create that.
Speaker 3:As you've heard in this interview, we're talking to retailers that host people. And how do you do that? Well, there has to be a way for people to book their experience with you. It's our contention that the world needs another booking tool like it needs another hole in its head. That's not what we need.
Speaker 3:What we need is a platform for bookable retail, and that's what the Experience app is all about. In just a few clicks, if you happen to be a Shopify e commerce user, you can add bookable experiences to your website. They're on brand, it's at your domain, it's done through the Shopify checkout, and you control the data right there in the admin. You can transfer customers, you can create scannable QR codes, they can be reminded of their upcoming experiences, and it integrates really nicely with everything you do as a retailer. So you're selling your products right next to your bookable experiences and you don't have to use things like Eventbrite or Ticketmaster or one of the other thousand bookable tools out there.
Speaker 3:If you want the tool that works for you as you host people in your retail environment, which quite frankly is pretty much table stakes these days in an era where people don't have to leave their home to buy anything. They're going to come out to create a memory with you.
Mark Sandeno:Go
Speaker 3:to experiencesapp.com for a free fourteen day trial. It doesn't require a credit card to do the fourteen day trial. And by the way, if the fourteen day trial isn't long enough, just hit us up in the in app chat and we'll extend it for you. So thanks for listening. Experiencesapp.com.
Speaker 3:Go there today. Add it to your Shopify store. And if you're not already a Shopify entrepreneur, this would be a great time to start. Go to shopify.com, get your store going, and then immediately go over and add the Experiences app to your store. Once again, this is Mark Sandineau, the CEO of Experiences.
Speaker 3:We hope to see you soon.
Mark Sandeno:And do you feel like there with your style of education and workshop and experiences, do you feel like there's an almost unlimited possibility? Could you be as busy as you want to be? And if so, do you kind of dial it back a little bit to make it fit in your life a little bit better?
Rachel Lorenz:So because until very recently, when my husband retired, we were active duty US military, we move around a lot. And so, unfortunately, that means that by the time, usually, I've gotten in a new place and built up reputation amongst the local community, we're moving onward. So I'm never as busy as I want to be, but we're hoping he's now retired, so we're hoping to enter a more stable phase where we're in one place long enough to actually do that. The thing I'm noticing in the modern world, unfortunately, is that people, they want to do things, but they're anxious about actually doing the things, and they're anxious about committing. So, you know, I have a lot of people say, oh, yeah.
Rachel Lorenz:I wanna do your embroidery. Yeah. I wanna do your sip and stitch. I wanna do your your sip and cook. Right?
Rachel Lorenz:And then they won't actually get around to signing up for it. So we're also combating, and I'm pretty certain this is in large part COVID induced. Right? There's a lot of mental health issues that came out of that time. So I'm definitely not as busy as I want to be, but that is in part because of our nomadic lifestyle.
Rachel Lorenz:It makes it harder to schedule events to actually develop a kind of regular rhythm so that people know, well, on Tuesdays, there's this. On Wednesdays, there's that. That's in part on me. The problem with being an entrepreneur, as you know, is that you're a one man show at the beginning. And right now, I'm a one man show, so I have to do it all and I don't always have all the energy to actually do all the things I need that would allow me to be as busy as I want to be.
Mark Sandeno:I've noticed in my entrepreneurial endeavors, it's easy to come up with ideas and to go from zero to one, one customer, one person willing to pay you. It's just, like, phenomenal effort. And then it's additionally another incredibly, but in some ways not as hard, incredibly difficult effort to go to scale. And then you get to the point where you what I've noticed is you complicate your life just enough that you're like, I either gotta get really serious about this or shut this down because the upside isn't big enough to do it this way the rest of my life and get a team and all the help. Like, that scale, it's a worthy endeavor, especially when you find something that's transformative in people's lives.
Mark Sandeno:I mean, like, one thing we know about the experience economy, which is sports, entertainment, travel, and dining, one of the single greatest alleviating effects as far as alleviating anxiety and stress is positive memory creation, and you do it through experiences like what you're providing. The dance, the medieval sip sauce and bake, you know, at the Creative Contessa. So it's like it's a really it's a social good, but as everything goes, it's also a challenge. It's this is why people, I think, was like, man, I just wanna, like, I wanna drop ship business where I can just take orders and it just automates and I just break money hand over fist, and I just wanna roll around in my filthy luker. This is why I have such a deep respect for businesses like yours, Rachel, who are inviting people in and it's the art of hospitality.
Rachel Lorenz:If I just wanted to make money, this would not be it. Yeah. This would not be it, but there's more to life than that. And, you know, I'd know. The other side is I have this entire content empire.
Rachel Lorenz:It's really strong word. My little content fiefdom that's actually finally growing and taking off, and, of course, content creation. Holy shit. That takes so much time and if people have no appreciation for what a polished ten minute YouTube video the effort a ten minute YouTube video takes on an actual real topic, not just watching some idiot run into a fence or something. Like, an actual video that conveys information that is, you know, scripted, has visuals, has good sound quality.
Rachel Lorenz:Right? That takes you know, a ten minute video would take me fifty to a hundred hours.
Mark Sandeno:Yes. I'm involved in not actively, but involved in one of those businesses, and it's amazing for a thirty minute video, the amount of edits. Okay. Let's finish off here. Couple random questions I have for you.
Mark Sandeno:Okay. Most magical place you've ever visited.
Rachel Lorenz:I visited a lot of really magical places. Okay. The most magical place I've ever visited. This says something because there's, you know, a really, really tall list. Would be a toss-up between the B1, which is the secret garden of Changdeokgung, the royal palaces in Seoul.
Rachel Lorenz:The B1 was actually the place where the royal family would go and relax. That was their experience. It was to get away from the court and the administration and just go into this amazing natural paradise with these lovely little buildings scattered amongst it with flowing water and lotus blossoms and just be, and you can go visit it now in Seoul. Or the close second would be the Alhambra in Granada. I was there in February, so, you know, it it's changed a lot since then.
Rachel Lorenz:And to be there in the off season, like November, when no one else is there, basically, the middle of the week, late in the afternoon, when all the tourist bus have already come and gone, and to just be in the Genaralife. That's the part of the Alhambra that has the lion patio and the long fountains, and to just walk in the place where the emirs of Al Andalus once walked a thousand years ago. And to just hear the water trickling and to hear the echoes of the past in this amazing miniature paradise, which was literally built to be a representation of paradise, the Garden Of Eden. And it feels like it actually. They succeeded.
Mark Sandeno:Wow. Hey, listen. Just that question alone was worth the price of admission for anyone who listens to this. Okay. I have two more questions for you.
Mark Sandeno:Historical era, you'd time travel to for a week and you only get one choice.
Rachel Lorenz:Oh, for a week? I wouldn't wanna go to any historical era for any amount of time. Seriously. So here's why. Before antibiotics, you were probably going to die.
Mark Sandeno:Okay. Yeah. As a medieval expert, you'd probably know that.
Rachel Lorenz:Okay. So if I were guaranteed medical safety, let's let's assume that I would take that action on Florence in the fifteenth century just because I want to see with my own eyes what it was really like. I have no illusions. This is purely a scientific expedition for me. I as a student of history, I have zero illusions about what life was like actually like in the past in any era of history, but I would want to see what it was like.
Rachel Lorenz:If I had that, you know, magic hazmat suit, invisible hazmat suit that protected me from the ten year recurrence of the plague.
Mark Sandeno:As long as you don't end up with rigor mortis in the back of a wagon being carted Right.
Rachel Lorenz:Exactly. I'm good.
Mark Sandeno:And then the and then the last one, that's is a time period specific thing, and I feel like you would have a better handle on this than anyone else I could run into. A medieval or renaissance food that deserves a comeback.
Rachel Lorenz:Alois de mutton. There's an equivalent in British English called olives. You ever go to Britain and you see olives on the entree menu? It's not the little fruits that grow on trees in the Mediterranean. It's actually meat rolls.
Rachel Lorenz:But the medieval version, you take lamb, you slice it, and you beat the crap out of it until it's really thin. And then you take this amazing mixture of cooked egg yolk, this great mixture of all these kinds of different fresh herbs, many of which people have never even heard of, and saffron, and you mix that all together. Oh, and bone marrow. And most people think, oh, bone marrow. No.
Rachel Lorenz:No. No. Bone marrow is amazing. It is so delicious and so rich. And you smear that onto your meat, the beaten meat.
Rachel Lorenz:That sounds terrible, but there it is. Then you roll it up and you roast it. And then you have your sauces. Medieval cuisine was all about the sauces. There's probably at least a 100 recipes for different kinds of sauces I've seen.
Rachel Lorenz:And you take some of the garlic and they're really strong and they're vinegary and they're powerful. You have, like, four different sauces lined up. And then you can dip your meat rolls in the sauces, and it is definitely deserves a comeback. I mean, I could absolutely see that on a canape tray, you know, little little mini aloes de mutton with a little toothpick.
Mark Sandeno:Okay. Now I'm just, like, fascinated. How do you spell aloes?
Rachel Lorenz:So this is fifteenth century French slash English. So a l l o w e s. I have a video on making them on my channel, actually.
Mark Sandeno:This has been absolutely fascinating. And I do have to say, hands down, Rachel, working with you over the years, seeing the kind of stuff you offer and supporting you, it has you are by far one of the most fascinating customers we have. And we have some wild experiences for everything from all sorts of workshops and and classes and cooking and breweries and distilleries and wineries and blendings and tastings. And then we have goat yoga, goat snuggling, lots of goat snuggling. Yeah.
Mark Sandeno:Yeah. We do. Really big on Mother's Day, goat snuggling, it turns out. Thank you so much for being with us. And for listeners, it is the creativecontesta.com, or you can find her on YouTube as the creative contesta.
Mark Sandeno:And hey, everybody. I'm gonna challenge you. Let's make some aloes de mutton and see if we agree with Rachel that this is a medieval food that needs to come back. So thank you so much for joining me today.
Rachel Lorenz:Oh, thank you for having me, Mark. And everyone, I have to say I love the experiences app. It's fantastic. It's really been and they've got some really great updates coming out that are gonna take it to the next level. So if you want to have a business that offers experiences, you know, whether virtual or on live, experiences is the way to go.
Rachel Lorenz:The team's fantastic, and that is worth its weight in gold. I'll be honest, Mark. Seriously. You guys have always been a treat to work with. Yeah.
Mark Sandeno:Where do I send your check? I didn't anticipate such a glowing review.
Rachel Lorenz:I know I'm not. Sadly, I'm not getting paid today. Sadly.
Mark Sandeno:We'll figure something out.
Rachel Lorenz:No. It's cool.
Mark Sandeno:Alright, Rachel. Thank you so much.
Rachel Lorenz:Thank you, Mark.
